republic versus monarchy

[EliB]

Yesterday it was shown beyond doubt that we are the envy of the world with what we have! Look what the Monarchy brings and gives to Britain!?
As Boudi said, the deserted streets yesterday told their own story....not always necessary to be showing it with street parties (but link below shows the street party held in the street or 'park' where my cousins live in Surrey - lots of my family in the pics!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-13240325

It frustrates me to hear folk saying the are against the Monarchy - that we should be a Republic! We're not - but there are plenty of places that are.....

[Martin]

Yesterday it was shown beyond doubt that we are the envy of the world with what we have! Look what the Monarchy brings and gives to Britain!?

Wow! did someone ask everybody in the world? That must have taken some time.
And what exactly does the Monarchy 'bring to Britain', imagine how many tourists an open Buckingham Palace, an open Sandringham, on open Balmoral and an open Windsor castle would bring to Britain.

It frustrates me to hear folk saying the are against the Monarchy - that we should be a Republic! We're not - but there are plenty of places that are.....

Why should that frustrate you? Imagine how much more frustrating it is to see the crowds confirming their 'not for the likes of us' status.

[EliB]

Yesterday it was shown beyond doubt that we are the envy of the world with what we have! Look what the Monarchy brings and gives to Britain!?

Wow! did someone ask everybody in the world? That must have taken some time.
And what exactly does the Monarchy 'bring to Britain', imagine how many tourists an open Buckingham Palace, an open Sandringham, on open Balmoral and an open Windsor castle would bring to Britain.

It frustrates me to hear folk saying the are against the Monarchy - that we should be a Republic! We're not - but there are plenty of places that are.....

Why should that frustrate you? Imagine how much more frustrating it is to see the crowds confirming their 'not for the likes of us' status.

Funnily enough - no they didn't ask "everyone in the world".....but then me thinks you knew that(!!!) But what the Monarchy bring is exactly what was shown yesterday....interest, tourism and most folk were delighted to have something happy going on rather than all the misery of late!! Tourism will increase more now to England (or INNgland according to Ecu) AND Scotland....solely as a result of yesterday's wedding!!

It just DOES frustrate me when folk slag off the Monarchy! As I said, there are many places that ARE a Republic, so nobody is forcing folk to stay here if they don't want to and if they feel THAT strongly about it (as some folk appear to).... but don't stay and moan!!!

[Martin]

Funnily enough - no they didn't ask "everyone in the world".....but then me thinks you knew that(!!!) But what the Monarchy bring is exactly what was shown yesterday....interest, tourism and most folk were delighted to have something happy going on rather than all the misery of late!! Tourism will increase more now to England (or INNgland according to Ecu) AND Scotland....solely as a result of yesterday's wedding!!

Indeed I think that people could do with a bit of a lift, but why does that have to be in the form of underlining the concept of the right to rule?  People can celebrate weddings without them being royal weddings.  And if we really need a national celebration then why not have a day celebrating all those unsung heros who give their free time in voluntary work - have a bank holiday and interview some of them.  Select some of them to cheer around the streets of the capital, have a massive firework display in their honour.  etc.  All it takes is a little imagination.
 

It just DOES frustrate me when folk slag off the Monarchy! As I said, there are many places that ARE a Republic, so nobody is forcing folk to stay here if they don't want to and if they feel THAT strongly about it (as some folk appear to).... but don't stay and moan!!!

It's not as easy to move to another country as you make out.  People have their work, their elderly families, their need of the NHS etc. Don't tell me to **** off out of my own country.  And don't tell me that I may not decry the rotten system of bigging up the idea that some people are born to have privilege while others are to be their 'subjects'. It stinks.

[Boudi]

would you like to source that one?

what it does not change is the whole stinking paternalism attitude of that era that somehow celebrates the aristocracy and revels in the rich and poor divide

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

what kind of source...history?  If you don't believe me, just research, and provide evidence to the contrary, but it seems to be such a well established fact that any old source would do.  Do a search on the Bedchamber crisis.  Peel was the Tory who took over , and then resigned because the queen refused to remove her whig LIWs.

[ecuworrier]

Yesterday it was shown beyond doubt that we are the envy of the world with what we have! Look what the Monarchy brings and gives to Britain!?
As Boudi said, the deserted streets yesterday told their own story....not always necessary to be showing it with street parties (but link below shows the street party held in the street or 'park' where my cousins live in Surrey - lots of my family in the pics!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-13240325

It frustrates me to hear folk saying the are against the Monarchy - that we should be a Republic! We're not - but there are plenty of places that are.....

Bless you but get real EliB its the poor what pays for the monarchy so if the poor is daft enough to come over all meltworthy then that is up to them... what do they gets in return? a bank holiday a celebrity show on tv an opportunity to spend money they can't earn cos it's a bank holiday

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[ecuworrier]

would you like to source that one?

what it does not change is the whole stinking paternalism attitude of that era that somehow celebrates the aristocracy and revels in the rich and poor divide

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

what kind of source...history?  If you don't believe me, just research, and provide evidence to the contrary, but it seems to be such a well established fact that any old source would do.  Do a search on the Bedchamber crisis.  Peel was the Tory who took over , and then resigned because the queen refused to remove her whig LIWs.

surely not! surely the goodly tories would never of dreamed of being remotely imagined to be undemocratic.... especially not under the revered reign of queen vic

the bit i find a bit weird though if you don't mind me saying that is.... the LIWs would not have had the vote so..... what was the fuss about?


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[ecuworrier]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b010mrzr/Moral_Maze_Meritocracy_and_monarchy/

i listened to this last night .... mmm raised some interesting issues without not really looking at the subject matter..

like the tension between the royal family and the power wielding and influential aristocracy of this country that perhaps don't  therefore get all that analysis and publicity that they deserve

GOD BLESS!

peace and Love,

[Boudi]

would you like to source that one?

what it does not change is the whole stinking paternalism attitude of that era that somehow celebrates the aristocracy and revels in the rich and poor divide

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

what kind of source...history?  If you don't believe me, just research, and provide evidence to the contrary, but it seems to be such a well established fact that any old source would do.  Do a search on the Bedchamber crisis.  Peel was the Tory who took over , and then resigned because the queen refused to remove her whig LIWs.

surely not! surely the goodly tories would never of dreamed of being remotely imagined to be undemocratic.... especially not under the revered reign of queen vic

the bit i find a bit weird though if you don't mind me saying that is.... the LIWs would not have had the vote so..... what was the fuss about?


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

Does this count as an admission that you were wrong....I just can't tell!

[ecuworrier]

Does this count as an admission that you were wrong....I just can't tell!
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what.....!!!???? don't understand the question just exploring the options ... i have never come across this arena  of victorian history before sure sounds more valid as a story than Jayne Eyre 


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[EliB]

Yesterday it was shown beyond doubt that we are the envy of the world with what we have! Look what the Monarchy brings and gives to Britain!?
As Boudi said, the deserted streets yesterday told their own story....not always necessary to be showing it with street parties (but link below shows the street party held in the street or 'park' where my cousins live in Surrey - lots of my family in the pics!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-13240325

It frustrates me to hear folk saying the are against the Monarchy - that we should be a Republic! We're not - but there are plenty of places that are.....

Bless you but get real EliB its the poor what pays for the monarchy so if the poor is daft enough to come over all meltworthy then that is up to them... what do they gets in return? a bank holiday a celebrity show on tv an opportunity to spend money they can't earn cos it's a bank holiday

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

Definitely one of your more patronising posts Ecu, but aside from that,  from my knowledge, it's the taxpayer who pays for the Monarchy, NOT the "poor"! And yes, some taxpayers are poorer than others, but there are many, many rich (and doing pretty ok!) taxpayers out there, so NOT exactly accurate to say it's the "poor" who pay - either that or you and I have VERY different definitions of the word "poor"!! Also, who are you calling "daft"? Taxpayers who are happy enough to pay for something that most of Britain is proud of??....or if they aren't they did a damn good impersonation of it yesterday!!!
And as far as "getting real" is concerned - at least I'm living in the world we DO live in and not the one I wished we did - this ain't a republic!!

[Martin]

from my knowledge, it's the taxpayer who pays for the Monarchy, NOT the "poor"! And yes, some taxpayers are poorer than others, but there are many, many rich (and doing pretty ok!) taxpayers out there, so NOT exactly accurate to say it's the "poor" who pay - either that or you and I have VERY different definitions of the word "poor"!! Also, who are you calling "daft"? Taxpayers who are happy enough to pay for something that most of Britain is proud of??....or if they aren't they did a damn good impersonation of it yesterday!!

The way earnings are skewed in this country, there are a hell of a lot of taxpayers who are really quite poor.  But I have a suggestion. What if our income tax returns included a box to be ticked if one wanted to pay for the monarchy, and if one didn't tick the box then one's tax bill was consequently reduced, such that those only those people who wanted a monarchy paid for them?  How many people would tick the box then?

[Boudi]

The monarchy generally are paid for by the Crown estates, land which was owned by the Monarch, and which was bound over to the Government in exchange for the Civil list.  People play with the figures, buty it is generally believed that the Government are in profit.
Charles has asked to return to a situation where they live off their own estate, whether profitable or not, but the Govt prefers not to, either because they want to keep the surplus, or because they want to keep the Monarch on a leash

[Boudi]

Does this count as an admission that you were wrong....I just can't tell!

what.....!!!???? don't understand the question just exploring the options ... i have never come across this arena  of victorian history before sure sounds more valid as a story than Jayne Eyre 


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,
[/quote]It wasn't a story, it was a fact, and the fact was that the tories were not in favour when Victoria married.

[daniel]

I did my ironing.  That's how I celebrate.

Boudi, you are welcome to come and celebrate in my house