republic versus monarchy

[ecuworrier]

hmm... i was a little surprised to have this debate with someone during the week and they probs were suprised that i was not a staunch republican... however the blue quality of the wedding guest list makes me think again.... cos how can that not be interpreted as being showing political partisanship and therefore the royal family is hardly taking political and parliamentary distance now is it.....   

so that being inevitably and regretably so....

who is for a total rejection of the monarchy and who is for a total acceptance come state your case


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[tranchiebabe]

I am for the monarchy Never a republic. The list of wedding guests weren't all blue blooded by any means, besides which Kate is a commoner.

[Boudi]

Not sure of what you are saying above, but I'm in favour of the monarchy.  Now there's no real well thought out reason, because there are as many pro's as cons.  We are no more and no less democratic for having an hereditary head of state (IMO), and as we have seen today, there has been a great show of support and celebration today.  I was in Comet at 10 o'clock, and was the only one in there.  Likewise the roads were empty, and this has been suggested as a non-event that people are simply not bothered about any more.  I'd suggest that we are interested, but not willing to proclaim it.  Josh is at a street party, the people opposite are having a party.

I did my ironing.  That's how I celebrate.

[Boudi]

I am for the monarchy Never a republic. The list of wedding guests weren't all blue blooded by any means, besides which Kate is a commoner.

That's why I was confused as to what ecuworrier was saying.  There was a great deal made of the fact that the commoners got better seats that many heads of state!

[Martin]

I'm against having a figurehead who is privileged by right of birth.

[AndyHB]

I'm against having a figurehead who is privileged by right of birth.

So does that mean that anyone could be a President of the UK, wherever they were born and therefore whatever nationality. As such we are all 'privileged by right of birth'.  I would also rather have a head of state who was apolitical, and therefore not in any way related to a political party, than one who has to run for power every few months.  As such, the current monarchical system is perfect.

[tranchiebabe]

I'm against having a figurehead who is privileged by right of birth.

I have no problem with that, as long as they stay a figurehead and have no say in how we are governed

[Martin]

I would also rather have a head of state who was apolitical, and therefore not in any way related to a political party, than one who has to run for power every few months.

Shame we don't have one - see here.

But anyway a presidency need not be an office of power - take the Irish system for example.

[ecuworrier]

I'm against having a figurehead who is privileged by right of birth.

I would also rather have a head of state who was apolitical, and therefore not in any way related to a political party,

now then that is a strong argument for having a randomly selected poor person from a distant land ruled by dictatorship as head of state

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[ecuworrier]

I would also rather have a head of state who was apolitical, and therefore not in any way related to a political party, than one who has to run for power every few months.

Shame we don't have one - see here.

But anyway a presidency need not be an office of power - take the Irish system for example.

oh dear there are many irish that are well pissed off with their sovereign sell out by their elected peers... it's kindov a sellout of their proud young republic

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[ecuworrier]

I am for the monarchy Never a republic. The list of wedding guests weren't all blue blooded by any means, besides which Kate is a commoner.

i didn't mean blue royal i meant blue torie there was nothing non party political about the guest list which i was quite surprised by i don't know what the last royal wedding list was like but there was nothing that remotely gave a non partisan feel... i know that Andy is blind to the blue scourge so i guess  he can be forgiven for not seeing blue where it is or that there is a problem

am not sure what it takes to be a commoner in the modern era ..... Kate seems to have one of those accents that separates her from common parlance


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[ecuworrier]

Not sure of what you are saying above, but I'm in favour of the monarchy.  Now there's no real well thought out reason, because there are as many pro's as cons.  We are no more and no less democratic for having an hereditary head of state (IMO), and as we have seen today, there has been a great show of support and celebration today.  I was in Comet at 10 o'clock, and was the only one in there.  Likewise the roads were empty, and this has been suggested as a non-event that people are simply not bothered about any more.  I'd suggest that we are interested, but not willing to proclaim it.  Josh is at a street party, the people opposite are having a party.

I did my ironing.  That's how I celebrate.

it was quiet cos folks were still either asleep or were fixing theri coacoa for the big event... the atmosphere did change subsequently

i strongly disagree that we are democratic though there has been a role that the monarch has in state stability from the civil service aspects including police and army... maybe i didn't make it plain that by blue i meant there were more tory political persons than non tory political persons a bit reminiscent of what a royal wedding might have looked under Queen Victoria and before... in that sense you can invite as many commoners as you like and there weren't that many.... it makes no difference to the accepted model of who under the divine right of kings deserves to decide stuff ...  ie gets the invites to garden parties etc......    i hadn't really thought about it until i saw the list...

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[Boudi]

Victoria was a whig at the time of her marriage.  She caused the Tory administration to fall because she refused to get rid of her whig ladies in waiting.

[ecuworrier]

would you like to source that one?

what it does not change is the whole stinking paternalism attitude of that era that somehow celebrates the aristocracy and revels in the rich and poor divide

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[Martin]

what it does not change is the whole stinking paternalism attitude of that era that somehow celebrates the aristocracy and revels in the rich and poor divide

Exactly