Omagh bomb

[ecuworrier]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12962723

Northern Ireland seems a long way away like overseas to many? but Stephen Nolan show on R-5live ensures that it remains in mainline britain's consciousness.....

last night he allowed a republican of some sort to make his view heard ...

(i learnt that Ireland was first invaded from our shores C12)


i was intrigued by the statement that he would not rest until UK withdrew from Ireland....   that went down really well with other listeners!

i think what intrigued me most was  the context of somebody of one contributor telling him that the pen was mightier than the sword....

thoughts i.... is it possible then that the pen could remove the UK from the island of Ireland after all the pen could sign that off  ....so that's what  could happen?  so what do they have to do to achieve that?

just idly curious

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Peace and Love,

[AndyHB]

(i learnt that Ireland was first invaded from our shores C12)

And the Irish were invading the British mainland long before that as well.  Not to mention all the other Irish invasions that have continued over the centuries - to Liverpool, London, the South Wales Valleys, etc.   

i was intrigued by the statement that he would not rest until UK withdrew from Ireland....   that went down really well with other listeners!

Still not really sure what the RIRA/CIRA/etc. actually mean by the UK withdrawing from Ireland.  Does it mean that the UK has to take out all the money that it has ploughed in over the years (not to mention its proportion of the current bale-out funding); does it mean that Protestants living in the North have to leave their homes and 'return' to their ancestral homes in various parts of the UK; does it mean that said people stay in the North, but become disenfranchised because they want to remain part of the UK; ... ?

[Boudi]

Indeed andy, the original Irish were from Scotland I believe!  It was invaded by the command of the Pope at that time.
It is odd when we look at statements like the one above, where they want the UK out of Ireland.....the UK is Britain and Ireland together, so Ireland needs to get out of Ireland!  I think when there has been a mixing of people for hundreds of years it's hard to say they are from another place.  If we looked at this in a British context it's like telling an asian family who have been here for 80 years to go home.  They are home!

[EliB]

So, some of those in NI want Ireland to be solely Irish? The only difference between them and the Scot Nats who want Independence for Scotland is that some of the Republicans in Ireland are sick bs who are willing to kill innocents to make their point!

[AndyHB]

So, some of those in NI want Ireland to be solely Irish? The only difference between them and the Scot Nats who want Independence for Scotland is that some of the Republicans in Ireland are sick bs who are willing to kill innocents to make their point!

Did you never have a Scottish equivalent to the Welsh 'Sons of Glyndwr' who went around torching houses they thought were second homes, especially in N. Wales.  Certainly, on at least one occasion, they torched a house that not only had a dog in it, but belonged to the local farmer, who had managed to get someone to cover his farm for a month or so whilst he and his family had a long-deserved holiday!!

[ecuworrier]

this is going very well i see...

 the question about how they should go about achieving their goals with no violence sadly has not been answered..  sigh


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[Boudi]

It has if you think that their goals cannot be met.  It's like people here trying to say what 'Englishness' is ( without admitting that it is being originally German)

[EliB]

So, some of those in NI want Ireland to be solely Irish? The only difference between them and the Scot Nats who want Independence for Scotland is that some of the Republicans in Ireland are sick bs who are willing to kill innocents to make their point!

Did you never have a Scottish equivalent to the Welsh 'Sons of Glyndwr' who went around torching houses they thought were second homes, especially in N. Wales.  Certainly, on at least one occasion, they torched a house that not only had a dog in it, but belonged to the local farmer, who had managed to get someone to cover his farm for a month or so whilst he and his family had a long-deserved holiday!!

I couldn't confidently say that there's NEVER been anything like that, Andy, but not that I'm aware of - it's mostly Nats pontificating about how "everyone in Scotland" wants independence - but they're SO sure of that that they won't have a referendum   .....coz deep down, they know what the response will be! YES, some do want it, but thankfully they ARE in the minority, no matter WHAT that eejit Salmond thinks!!

[ecuworrier]

so with the bomb left in Newry.... seems to be a bit of a new trend... what does come to mind is something someone (who is much more clued up about politics than i am) said in relation to the various violence at various recent protests... 'it's cos the tories are back..' jhmmm has it had an effect on fringe movements across the uk?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13023315

i can only repeat my question what should these guys do so that the pen becomes more powerful than the sword?


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[ecuworrier]

So, some of those in NI want Ireland to be solely Irish? The only difference between them and the Scot Nats who want Independence for Scotland is that some of the Republicans in Ireland are sick bs who are willing to kill innocents to make their point!

Did you never have a Scottish equivalent to the Welsh 'Sons of Glyndwr' who went around torching houses they thought were second homes, especially in N. Wales.  Certainly, on at least one occasion, they torched a house that not only had a dog in it, but belonged to the local farmer, who had managed to get someone to cover his farm for a month or so whilst he and his family had a long-deserved holiday!!

I couldn't confidently say that there's NEVER been anything like that, Andy, but not that I'm aware of - it's mostly Nats pontificating about how "everyone in Scotland" wants independence - but they're SO sure of that that they won't have a referendum   .....coz deep down, they know what the response will be! YES, some do want it, but thankfully they ARE in the minority, no matter WHAT that eejit Salmond thinks!!

the political force that is the scottish nationalist movement is certainly in a state of evolution... i cannot imagine that too many scots would take Sammond as their heir supreme.... however the independence of the scottish parliament does demonstrate a shift in decision making potential that gives opportunities for the scots to experiment with self determination on those issues they feel strongly about... i would though suspect that sessationism would not be an appropriate option at the minute cos the scots do rely on income from the UK gov for many of their spends... and europe probs is gonna have to look at its own spending cuts and priorities.... saying that it remains to be seen where and what the plight of the poor in scotland is likely to be.. and what the options are... i really could not see Sammond winning the hearts and the minds so i guess folks muddle along with what best they could..


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

i guess they scotland could cessate then invite a safe haven for all that dodgy monopoly money banking that would bring the pennies in at least for a while... in fact they could do quite well out of being a tax haven for the tax avoiders... but hey