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Offline ecuworrier

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uk border control and immigration
« on: June 02, 2011, 13:27:04 »
this has been the main topic of interest this morning on the radio as a discussion about immigration amnesty which would be a libdem policy reading this report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13617183

am not too convinced that this is what is going on in fact all i feel is completely confused.... 

we is a small island one of if not the most populous country in europe

on the other hand is it realistic to assume an island can assume control of its borders

should we and if so how should we go about it that's not already being done or not done?



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Re: uk border control and immigration
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 21:36:43 »
Open the boarders to anyone who wants to come. When we get too overcrowded people will no longer want to come & those who are here will want to go... we will thus reach an equilibrium.
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Re: uk border control and immigration
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 22:10:35 »
We have had immigration (though not always known by that name) for centuries.  If the indigenous population (or more indigenous than the more recent arrivals) were willing to work in all the hand-dirtying jobs rather than regarding itself as 'above all that', employers in both public and private sectors wouldn't have to bring people in from abroad (seasonal vegetable pickers is a good example) to fill the places!!

The current/longstanding debate on immigration is so simplistic as to be totally pointless as it ignores vast amounts of information.
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 15:15:59 »
In fact, in addition to Andy's comment, it is clearly demonstrable that immigration is good for the economy overall (especially in terms of innovation), and has also been very good for the culture of this country. The problems arise when there are huge influxes which need assimilation - and last until that assimilation has occurred.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2011, 14:28:55 »
In fact, in addition to Andy's comment, it is clearly demonstrable that immigration is good for the economy overall (especially in terms of innovation), and has also been very good for the culture of this country. The problems arise when there are huge influxes which need assimilation - and last until that assimilation has occurred.

hmmm i appreciate that island borders are difficult to maintain... but i do feel to maintain that there are no end of problems with folks just arriving on that island... the kinds of people you are describing there .. you make it sound like a faMILY  on holiday.. going camping.... for arguments sake... they arrive at one field and find some campers have just pitched tents so they merrily move on to the next field and so on until finally they find one that thye like... oh and then it was time to go home!..... 

people migrating to find work are doing so very often cos they can't make ends meet where they are... or are looking to better their prospects....  the tourists indeed still can pick and choose cos all they want out of it is a good time... the others have limited resources that they invest in getting from A to B there is no guarantee that they have anywhere to go on to if they can't hack where they are....


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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 22:44:41 »
not quite sure what your point is.... or what your disagreement with me is.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2011, 14:28:39 »
there seem to be any number of posts regarding Englishness and nationality that are posted, questioned and never responded to, though since you have chosen to make yourself forren I don't know how you can expect and answer....
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