loyalty and morality limits and grey areas

[ecuworrier]

we have Vicky Price Chris Huhne's wife apparently on the war path raking up old issues like the time that she took a speeding points hit on her husband's behalf....


should spouses co-operate and stay silent having stayed silent once should they keep up appearances or does marital breakdown take away the obligation of loyalty?

where does one draw the line?

and cos this is a high profile politician does it mar our sense of rightness... do we expect different standards of public life or an absolute standard?

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[Boudi]

We expect them to behave impeccably, but this is because hypocrisy is part of the human condition.  It's a subject that interests me because I've decided to make it the subjecty of a service I'm doing  a week on Sunday!  We want to find fault in those we look up to because it makes us feel better.  How much better must we be if we can criticise the highest in the land.
Likewise, have we ever done something for a friend, and it be nothing, until the friendship breaks up.  Then it becomes the biggest issue in the world, and they were the worlds biggest s***, and you even kept quiet about the time they ran the neighbours dog over....but no more.
When a relationship breaks down there is a lot of pain, amnd sometimes you want to dish that pain out.  After the breakup there are no bonds but those you choose.
I have a friend who is a driving instructor and he's had a few people taking speeding fines for him, because the ability to drive is important!

[tranchiebabe]

I don't think loyalty is a virtue, especially if it shields people who are in the wrong.

If, heaven forefend, any of my family committed a serious crime I would report them to the authorites.

[ecuworrier]

I don't think loyalty is a virtue, especially if it shields people who are in the wrong.

If, heaven forefend, any of my family committed a serious crime I would report them to the authorites.

i'm inclined to agree while i think in real life we find many grey areas on a small point like if we are in a car and the driver stops and leaves vehicle on a double yellow line to pop into a shop .. or speeds in order to get us somewhere fast.....or drives through a red light inadvertantly ... or even actually has had a drink too many .... even though they seem to be doing ok....  are we seriously gonna report them!...

 is the takjng of someone's speeding points a serious crime or one of those er grey areas.....  there has to be a limit as to how many times the offender can get away with it....  is that something we would do ? if for example the person in question needs the car for work say or urgent ongoing social issues like visiting sick relatives ...

is there one law for those in office or high profile cases (there were a number of cases about footballers and other celebs seemingly being unstoppable when their speeding cases came before the courts they had really good lawyers!)...

is it something we would do for a loved one

on the other tack ... in real life we are for ever being asked to cover or lie for friends employers and who knows who else aren't we....  'say i'm not here' or whatever...  but when our relationship sours does that change how we feel about what we have done do we then all come out holy and say well actually you know what they made me do that as well!... me i hated doing that so much when asked to once by a flat mate that having done it once and felt awful about it i then resolved never to do that ever again!  but i have certainly been in places where it has happened

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[tranchiebabe]

I would have no hesitation in reporting the driving instructor, friend or not, to the police. He obviously isn't fit to be a driving instructor.

[Martin]

is the takjng of someone's speeding points a serious crime or one of those er grey areas.....

I think it has to be a criminal offence, and I think it should be treated seriously.

When someone's job depends upon their driving and they exceed the 12 points, sometimes the courts will take this into account and not issue a ban, and I think this is the sort of flexibility that the system should have.

Chris Huhne case is intriguing.  It appeard that the issue had been done and dusted a while back with 'not enough evidence' as the verdict.  It resurfaced just after Chris Huhne had had a pop against the Tories and David Cameron,  was this just coincidence?   Oviously we can't know.

I don't realy think that loyalty between partners should stretch to carrying the can for a partner's driving offences.  No partner shoul as that of their spouse and any spouse that agrees to it or suggests it is committing a criminal offence and deserves to be dealt with accordingly.  If Chris Huhne and his wife conspired to pervert the course of justice, then they should pay the price for that.

[JJ]

Funny how things come to pass.  Chris Huhne's ex wife was going out with an old friend of mine before Huhne came along, and there were a number of minor inadmissible things (not criminal) going on at the time.  I remember the long talks with emotional friend over many a pint.  Jan would call it karma!

[AndrewF]

I suspect that a lot more of this sort of thing goes on than most of us imagine - but having said that, if you get caught and the evidence is there against you then you have to take the punishment.
If it did happen in this case they are both guilty and will have to suffer the consequences

[Boudi]

That's an awfully good point, because she's actually saying 'I lied in court in order to get a guilty man off'

[AndrewF]

Yes, perjury and perverting the course of justice if she did that. I don't know if she did and I am prepared to believe the earlier decision that there was not enough evidence to pursue a case - so unless new, and compelling, evidence has emerged.....

[ecuworrier]

is the takjng of someone's speeding points a serious crime or one of those er grey areas.....

I think it has to be a criminal offence, and I think it should be treated seriously.

When someone's job depends upon their driving and they exceed the 12 points, sometimes the courts will take this into account and not issue a ban, and I think this is the sort of flexibility that the system should have.

Chris Huhne case is intriguing.  It appeard that the issue had been done and dusted a while back with 'not enough evidence' as the verdict.  It resurfaced just after Chris Huhne had had a pop against the Tories and David Cameron,  was this just coincidence?   Oviously we can't know.

what ... you think vicky price is now going out with a tory? now tha tcould class a s an inadmissable misdemeanour

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,