Quote from: JJ on April 19, 2011, 20:51:59

Going round and round and round here aren't we?   ...  The sin in a child is from imperfection of the sins of the fathers causing mistakes and unwitting damage to the child. 

Going round and round ... yes, but that's the nature of your argument.

If, as you say, the sin of a child who is born sinless is

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from imperfection of the sins of the fathers causing mistakes and unwitting damage to the child

how did the fathers (and mothers, incidentally) become 'sinful'?  You can run this cycle back and back as far as you want, but ultimately you have to be able to answer how that sin actually came to be present in what must, if your argument is correct have started out as a 'sinless' world.

i don't know about...  'the nature of your argument' sounds a bit weird and impersonal to the context of living flesh breathing and having consciousness and exploring that not just for love of self but for the love of others

but seems to me the crux of the argument is that silly manmade issue of sin from a religiosity perspective that lacks substance in the real world but keeps the legal spiritual lawyers happy.....  of GOD said something then it is not of the nature we cling onto.. and it is not of our nature to see things with a religious spirit of cveiled threat and secret desires of condemnation and self condemnation have a feeling that Freud may have been onto something somewhere within the judeochristian/jewish culture he grew up in ....but it was not what he said it was


GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,