Christian GP remanded by GMC

[Jan]

[JJ]

Yes I saw this silly story (what again??) yesterday.  Get a grip powers that be, care workers of all sorts speak of spiritual matters if it's helpful.  I certainly do.

[Jan]

Yes I saw this silly story (what again??) yesterday.  Get a grip powers that be, care workers of all sorts speak of spiritual matters if it's helpful.  I certainly do.

Yep - people will be so frightened to say or do anything in a bit, even if they are only doing so out of wanting to help. Its easy just to say 'no thank you' when help (any help inc the spiritual kind) is offered but not needed or wanted.

[AndyHB]

Its easy just to say 'no thank you' when help (any help inc the spiritual kind) is offered but not needed or wanted.

Not so sure that it is that easy to say 'No thank you' when it comes to medical treatment.  The pressure people are put under to accede to the 'expert's' proposed treatment seems to be getting increasingly difficult unless you already have some knowledge of the various options.

Also, how can the GMC 'remand' anyone.  That is a legal term, the power on which I don't think the GMC actually has.  It might have warned the GP - but remanded? 

[Jan]

Not so sure that it is that easy to say 'No thank you' when it comes to medical treatment.

Well I was more meaning saying 'no thank you' to the spiritual 'help' - if it wasn't wanted or required, but thinking about it, the medical help side - a person wouldn't be there in the medical centre unless he was there for medical help (surely?). Also some types of medical treatment do require the patients consent in the form of a signature.

Also, how can the GMC 'remand' anyone.  That is a legal term, the power on which I don't think the GMC actually has.  It might have warned the GP - but remanded?

Just quoting what the headline was Andy 

[AndyHB]

Also some types of medical treatment do require the patients consent in the form of a signature.

A surprising number, according to my wife (ex-nurse): and often the patient is not in a position to give it, so it is up to their relatives to consent - and there can be considerable pressure brought to bear in this.

A friend's daughter, also a nurse, has spoken about the way in which patients' wishes not to be revived are often flouted.  Because of the targets set by Government, staff do not want the patient's death to be recorded against their ward's figures, so ignore any 'DNR' notes, revive them, and then pass them to another ward.

[Jan]

A surprising number, according to my wife (ex-nurse): and often the patient is not in a position to give it, so it is up to their relatives to consent - and there can be considerable pressure brought to bear in this.

Yeah I can understand that. When I was about to have a C section, I was asked to read and sign some papers. Thing was that I was so tired from having been up most of the night with contractions, I just gave the papers to hubby to read and sign. As long as they get a signature all would seem to be in order.

A friend's daughter, also a nurse, has spoken about the way in which patients' wishes not to be revived are often flouted.  Because of the targets set by Government, staff do not want the patient's death to be recorded against their ward's figures, so ignore any 'DNR' notes, revive them, and then pass them to another ward.

Wasn't aware of that.

[JJ]

Maybe it was 'reprimanded' not remanded. 

[Jan]

Maybe it was 'reprimanded' not remanded. 

That would probably make more sense JJ - yes - but its not what is shown on Telegraph article 

shown here

[AndyHB]

Maybe it was 'reprimanded' not remanded. 

That would probably make more sense JJ - yes - but its not what is shown on Telegraph article 

I have noticed that the DT - along with other papers are doing their bit to keep the Graudian habit alive!!

[JJ]

Me too. And BBC website!

[ecuworrier]

The Doctors motive would have only been that of helping the patient (I can't see where the 'exploitation' comes into this) and the discussion was 'consensual' after all, and within a Christian Orientated Practice - so one wonders what is really going on here? Also the complaint wasn't made by the patient (who continued to be a patient at the practice), but by the patients mother.

sounds like the mum is the one who needs an Encounter with Jesus

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,

[AndrewF]

Yes I saw this silly story (what again??) yesterday.  Get a grip powers that be, care workers of all sorts speak of spiritual matters if it's helpful.  I certainly do.

better hope your bosses aren't reading this then!

[ecuworrier]

it is a bit of a fine line at times how one goes about things... and certainly if a patient/client etc brought stuff up you can hardly ignore that on the contrary one can glean some important info and insights into the patient's natural state of health well being and mind as well as social milieu... like for instance is the religious milieu contributing to a client's state of stress or anxiety etc....

how when fares when one feels boldly prompted and oops out it goes before one has had a thought for what one was going to say well GOD Papa knows best...

as for should one  expect the religious chat if one goes to a practice marked MD then me is not so sure that is a good thing... though if Papa knows best as opposed to i know what i need to tell you cos that is what my church expects of me then Papa is well in control! wjhich Papa always is

i would hope that the distinction especially in terms of the patient's healthcare would come to light and one hopes accordingly that the GMC will deal with that

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,