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wars of words gov and police
« on: August 13, 2011, 14:14:06 »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/12/police-revolt-cameron-reform-agenda

i have been intrigued today that a war of words has begun between police and politicians with some spokesp0eople police declaring absence of trust in the ministers.... hmm we really are back to pre97...  with the police there as tory politicians personal fashion accessories?

what do we expect of our police ... and for that matter what do we expect of our politicians?

one good thing is that the public are getting the message about police cuts ... people saw for themselves communities abandoned as policing decisions had to be made... some communities have experienced that endemically already for a while... stuff still not resolved from... ?well now...

but is this an acceptable state of affairs? are we civilised society? or is that all a bit irrelevant?

what shape does the future need to take and what about the short term?


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Re: wars of words gov and police
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 12:26:04 »
and so it seems to carry on... with added compexity of some sense of dispute within gov..

on the one hand should we be bringing in US 'supercop' to sort it all out... a guy who is very amenable to er becoming uk citizen in order to qualify for the job of Met commissioner...  i've heard (radio) criticisms of cross pond relevance for a very different experience of both policing and application for instance a herd of extra cops were brought in to help his efforts .. where would they come from? (is it that we are able to make available forces for outsiders where we cannot for our own....?) and questions about what 'results' would actually look like.. as well as the usual shouldn't we be sorting this out within our own context...

this latter point i do like though as we have seen from sports we feel bound to try out the forrunners given we all seem to have fallen asleep.... is this an inditement on british culture and if so are we equipped to we solve resolve from within?... very briefly the scottish experience has thrown up a beauty... a woman a non police person who has taken scottish gangs by the scruff of the neck and is praised for making inroads... there is nothing wrong with this applaudable endeavour ... i guess my comment would be that it is bound by where it is most effective and that is the woman she is the crusade she is on that keeps her going and therefore can one ever transplant personality or institutionalise the endeavours of one person into a system? that works effectively beyond the context that it clearly works in?

i am listening to what is being said with some incredulity though.. the police are entirely perplexed by that they can as the gov maintains do the job they are mandated and paid to do with less resources....   currently at any point in time 12%(ish) of the police force are on the streets... what are the rest doing? training resting holiday illness and all sorts.... when i heard ugh Hughs MP (lumberdem) say that the policing of out of control brats was easy and that the training for police was straightforward... i baulked ... wjhat he was saying was that any idiot should be able to survive being thrown bricks at ( a police dog got a fractured skull) and bring instant order... well who needs police in that case... the training of a policeman is an investment of time energy and money and not everyone is cut out for the job.... i feel there really is a mismatch between gov and the police.... the point is this for me anyway... ok so you cut the numbers of police in theory cutting the numbers in the warehouse at any one time .. these deployed get injured or have to leave the force through stress and illness... how are they replaced? ....   how many years does it take to train a policeman how long does it take to disappear a policeman.... listening to the exhaustion levels of the police on duty in a all leave was cancelled situation which meant that police were denied rest days and had to carry on .... well where is this going to end?

anyhows has anyone seen the blueprints for robocop yet?

love to hear some actual views on this all


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