Message #3684

[ecuworrier]

it's been an interesting day i have just bumped into 2 folks from the past unrelated and just well they are weirdly different in different ways...  one of them i stare blankly at i have not seen them for 20 years? and they only slightly look like they did then it's only by the name that they were known by then that i recognise them how time has flown by! and how we have changed ! middle age just creeps up on us! a number of folks i once knew have filled out and it is really weird.. have our dreams and aspirations changed ? how do our circumstances vary? as i approach an uncertain moment i am finding myself deja vueing... have my values changed? does wisdom change our core values? what about GOD!

earlier as i was saying was one of those interesting areas of test case the arena of 'abortion' has reared it's head ... on the one hand the pro life body championed by a church that focuses on the little critter who can't speak for himself and largely ignores the plight of the big critter who is forced against theri will to be carrying the little critter... i put it in that case cos well there was a woman decided to take things into her own hands and now neither big critter nor little critter is with us... now does little critter have more less or equal right to life? once a little critter is a little critter ...

i listen to the programme which braveluy is set in a Marie Stopes clinic someplace and there are real people work tjhere and come through the doors i have missed some of it... and i miss nearly all of the follow up of the interviews with prolife which are given the last laugh.... they want to help both the big critter and the little critter... something about it sounds pretty well presented and somehow i don't believe it....  it only feeds into what i thought as i was listening to the other programme.... i was listening to first person accounts and third person witness where i guess one could say the interests of the big critter are considered? well actually the big critter and sometimes the other big critter you know the one that gets the least or the most to say about it all!? i have had the privelege of listening to how a young man was devastated when pregnant girlfriend had an abortion ... young man took it really personally and wasn't really involved in the discussion that led up to the loss of little critter... when you see it like that stacked from the other side it's kind of moving on the one hand and it's kindov well clearly the idea of fatherhood appealed to that other big critter.... to be fair they don't really seem to blame the girlfriend in an angry kindov way but they were really devastated and i feel the state of girlfriend to take those steps doesn't really come into it ... it's not up to them .... was it up to a vulnerable girlfriend to say no in the first place? other big critters can be all charm offensive and it isn't always honest that there is a baby that needs fulltime care for the rest of your life or theirs ... the point is that there is a state of immaturity run amock when folks can't get real about the whole complexity of human activity and real life consequences.... perhaps the other big critter is still sulking a bit and has refused to grow up perhaps.... holding on to that there is a place of unworthy father... based on some pretty finite decision making as well as end of relationship... i have no idea what happened to the other person in this.... but i was this morning listening to women trying to take their power back from some pretty dramatic situations... i don't think it's straightforward to talk about convenience ... it's a straight choice whether abortion is legal or illegal whether it is as safe as possible or anyalternative... it is crunch time and it is a horrendous choice to make... but where is the power of the woman to be in that state in the first place... that surely is a wakeup call situation? but not necessarily.... what about when the pregnancy threatens the life of the mother.... ? hey me i just thought that this was pretty awful women having to go the long way round to take back some power into theri lives and it made me think of church and the prolife movement that focuses on well conditionally offering women power within a limited set of circumstances....  it just rubbed it in ... women and power didn't feature... and the other big critter with all the power... to say no in the first place just did not feature or seem to as an issue worth mentioning.... this has been a theme both of men arguing the case for women's rights for abortion and men arguing the case for critters rights not to be aborted... though one wonders what the critters might think if the lives that are options for them really are laid on the table for them....  certainly this can play a role later... do we have the choice for life do we want the choice for life.... do we want the choice for better life for New Life.... does new life have to be at the expense of other's life? so why does men not argue the case for no new life except New Life newlife?...

i said above someplace about relax GOD is in control... so how does GOD work out here this is key is GOD about a civilised caring society that does not take advantage or create advantage of vulnerable to fullfill whims aspirations impulses against the will of those who are inadvertantly cornered and trapped into these situations for want of better plans and fortunes... does this sound like a free society to you?... it doesn't quite make it for me.... and yet this is where the church is at a bendover patriarchal you are safe with me/// er really?

i was just musing about stuff and GOD was kindov answering a question... i want to make you a safe church... well seems to me that GOD has to start from scratcjh..

i have more to say on this theme but right now i'm gonna call this in...

we is currently going backwards in narrative and we is now at the moment that i arrive in the church very late and i look and i see the Holy Spirit and i see that it is Good and i then turn around and leave? well i had missed the entire service and watched as the great and the good assembled to run to dinner... dunno if there was a general invite ... i suspect i wasn't ... though it would not surprise me if those in the know just did not extend the invite ... there was a guest there ... me i did need the church of the prayer meeting... the night before i had stood in the shop and been told i was going to have a lie in.... now that! i am not sure about i woke early enough and slept back again!... i certainly am not attributing that to GOD though did i miss anything i am so far away from properly listenng to folks except on a one off basis it seems

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love.

oh i can tell i'm grumbly so am gonna grumble something here... ok see how you get on with this... earlier today am told someone was worried about me they have not seen me for a few days.... ok then they say they have been praying for me .... i am really curious so ia ask them when... and almost breathe a sigh of relief... when was my most Holy Spirit moments before that... then they say i was off doing 'my thing' then they make me a coffee that's cool i drink the coffee and then they asked me if i enjoyed the coffee... i didn't appreciate that somehow... coffee is coffee i didn't have to make it said i.... and then studiously avoid them.... there is some control factoring going on here that may or may not come through the narrativ itself without the apparency of territoriality...

ok here is someobody else i was listening to this they are not one to dream but when the perosn closest to ythem asked them if they had dreamt and then described the content of their dream for them that they had apparently imposed... i said to this narrator ... that was the time to get out of that relationship... and yes when relationship fell other person was full of wanting to impose some more thoughts of a negative nature.... Be gone in the Name of Jesus!

controlling comes in many forms in and out of the church... the Gospel sets free it always sets free!