Message #3355

[Jan]

But that's not what I asked for is it?  I asked for a website which shows a supernatural event which can be repeated under controlled conditions. My prediction came true!

Oh I thought that you wanted to actually see what was being studied regarding supernatural events. If you want to actually see an event for yourself - then you would need to go to a spiritualist church or a ghost hunt or something of that ilk. Any recordings of supernatural events shown on sites such as youtube can be open to scrutiny - much can be faked when making little film recordings.

Your prediction as far as I understand was to do with me 'presenting a website' and you 'predicting that I wont' - when actually I did. I gave you what I understood you were looking for.

But you see Jan, that isn't helpful to your case. If I can only experience these things in an environment set up for convincing people (like a spiritualist church) rather than somewhere where an independent person can run controlled tests, then it points even more conspicuously to those causes I mentioned earlier.

Firstly Martin - its not for me (or my 'case') that you would be visiting a spiritualist church - it would be for your own benefit.
Secondly - what do you mean by 'set up'? It is just a church environment. The people that go to a spiritualist church - there are a mixture of them. Some are regulars and some are completely new to it all. The mediums job is to give validation or evidence. The congregation can take the messages on board or dismiss them. Most usually get something from them. I have seen some in tears because of the detail given (obviously that can be a deeply personal and emotional experience for those involved - and they go away with what they came for). For the experiments side -  'somewhere where an independent person can run controlled tests' - well that is what is being done at Windbridge by scientists.

The suggestibility of humans, a tendency of humans to fake things, a biased non-impartial view of the evidence etc.  In a similar way, I don't need to go to an evangelical rally to know that people's fillings turning to gold is dodgy evidence.

being at a spiritualist church is nothing like what is shown on TV of evangelical rallies - but then how would you know - you haven't been - not even once!

Then you aren't open-minded by your own admission.

Martin - I have to be open minded, to actually keep an open mind about not being sure about something when that is the case. If I am not sure about something I usually say so and keep open to the possibility of its existence. This though - well for me to go back to your way of thinking now would be like  believing in a flat earth - when I am fairly certain that the earth is spherical (though not a perfect sphere).


 

Don't  tell me where I can or can't come by the way. It's rude.

ah I see you don't like it when someone gives you a taste of your own medicine 

I'm glad you and I agree on something.

and you can respond to part of my post and take it out of context too