Message #3348

[Martin]

Put concisely, it's absurd to propose that an event is cause by an invisible, undetectable, unmeasurable form of energy, for which, numerous attempts to prove its existence have proved fruitless, when there is a perfectly good sientifically demonstrable and detectable explanation for similar events elsewhere.

but when an event still happens and thousands like it are happening all over the world and through time in various places and to various people - obviously the events exist, they are being witnessed and experienced. As for being undetectable - well no we can detect some energy by crude mechanical instruments - and we know don't we that the EM spectrum is energy vibrating at different frequencies - is there a beginning and an end to this EM spectrum or is it infinite at either end?.

The best instrument to use though happens to be a human one. A medium (as the scientists do at the Windbridge institute and as they do in the many Spiritualist churches and halls all over the world).

An answer which is not an answer to the point I was making.  Your deliberate avoidance is obvious.

I'll say it agian.

It's absurd to propose that an event is caused by an invisible, undetectable, unmeasurable form of energy, for which, numerous attempts to prove its existence have proved fruitless, when there is a perfectly good sientifically demonstrable and detectable explanation for similar events elsewhere.

Nobody is suggesting that there are no reports of observations around the world. But it is more reasonable to assume that these events are the result of mecahnisms that we know about rather than mechanisms we don't.   Whenever supernatural claims are studied under laboratory conditions they cannot be shown to happen.  So yes we have reports, lots of them, but no it doesn't mean that these things exist.  Sailors reported mermaids for years, but it doesn't mean that it's reasonable to believe that mermaids exist - instead we should be intensely sceptical, because we have good reasons to be so.  It's the only open-minded response.