Message #3317

[Martin]

Firstly - my experience does have something to do with what you are saying Martin because it is a response to what you are saying. Secondly - I have given you links of where the study has taken place.

If I say, there are no pictures of trees on the moon, and you say I believe that I have experienced trees on the moon, then that is not a response to what I was saying.  It is a response to something I might have said, perhaps something you thought I said, perhaps soething you wish I had said (because then you'd have a reasoned argument).

The links you give are to studies that weren't subject to proper scientific scrutiny, the results were not published in science journals, not subject to peer review by other scientists, and not repeated by other scientists.

The scole experiment is a case which supprts what I am saying. Night vision equipment was not allowed,  a fact that should set alarm bells ringing for anyone taking an objective view.  Yes, of course there could have been objects floating around the room, but since the proper scientific scrutiny was denied, we can't count this as scientifically controlled evidence.

- because of 'secondly' the only way it seems in which you are likely to believe what I am trying to show you is a fact (the afterlife existing therefore existence of the soul being) is for you to go and get your own 'verification'. If you are unable to bring yourself to do this then there is nothing more I can do to assist.

there is nothing more that you can do because the evidence doesn't exist! 

I fully accept, and have accepted throughout this thread, that the non-existence of evidence doesn't mean that something can't possibly exist,

well that is a start.

I have been consistent in what I am saying throughout. I haven't started to say anything different from what I have been saying all along.

there is evidence - books and links to findings -  but you don't seem to want to look at it. If you were interested then you would at least go and visit a Spiritualist church and find out more info for yourself. Spiritualism is a Science; is a Philosophy; and is a Religion Science and Spiritualism[/.....
....Creations like the Daleks could very well exist - it is not an impossibility you know (though I hope they don't come to Earth - then again though ....  ).

None of it is scientifically verified - that's the problem.  On a similar basis, someone might claim that there is 'evidence' that Daleks exist out in space.  Hundreds of Dr Who episodes contain images of them, who knows, maybe one or two were actually filming real Daleks.  But you can't say, if you have videotape with pictures of Daleks on it, that it constitutes real evidence of Daleks' existence, because the proper controls to verify that these were real Daleks were not in place when it was shot. The pictures might be of something shot as fiction, or they might be real Daleks, intent on invading earth, there is nothing to distinguish them. If we investigated, we'd find that some videotapes of Daleks originate from recordings of actors and blokes inside Dalek outfits proving them to be fiction.  And yes, there are probably some videotapes of Daleks that we couldn't prove were fiction, becuase there is no longer enough evidence to show where they came from. But that wouldn't make them fact, nor would it make them real evidence for the existence of real Daleks, and a reasonable person would assume that in all likelihod they were also fiction.