Quote from: Jan on October 28, 2011, 15:27:30

I disagree with you because of what has happened in my life, what I have experienced and seen & heard - things which I cannot explain by what you would call 'normal' means. I disagree because on trying to find out more, I have found a lot of evidence both in books and online - and accounts from other people.

Your experience has nothing to do with what I'm saying - that there is no contolled study, subject to proper scientific scrutiny, which gives evidence for the existence of a soul. You are stating a belief, I am challenging you to provide a verifiable fact.

Firstly - my experience does have something to do with what you are saying Martin because it is a response to what you are saying. Secondly - I have given you links of where the study has taken place.

Another link here http://www.thescoleexperiment.com/artcl_05.htm

Thirdly - because of 'secondly' the only way it seems in which you are likely to believe what I am trying to show you is a fact (the afterlife existing therefore existence of the soul being) is for you to go and get your own 'verification'. If you are unable to bring yourself to do this then there is nothing more I can do to assist.

I fully accept, and have accepted throughout this thread, that the non-existence of evidence doesn't mean that something can't possibly exist,

well that is a start.

but the non-existence of evidence does mean that there is no more properly controlled scientific evidence for the existence of what people call 'a soul', than there is for the existence of Daleks out in space. 

there is evidence - books and links to findings -  but you don't seem to want to look at it. If you were interested then you would at least go and visit a Spiritualist church and find out more info for yourself. Spiritualism is a Science; is a Philosophy; and is a Religion Science and Spiritualism

I daresay we could find people who believe that Daleks exist out in space and are threatening to invade the earth, perhaps they will even testify to events in their lives that prove it to their satisfaction, but I posit that such people are barking.

I haven't seen any Daleks apart from on Dr Who and Torchwood (and I enjoy watching both). We don't know for sure what lies out in space - other than it would be a waste of space if it were just us (which is why I tend to believe we are not alone). There have been plenty of sightings of unidentified craft by people who are not 'barking'. Some sightings have been later identified to be something of Earthly origin and some we have no Earthly explanation for. There have also been accounts of abductions and missing time. Again - there is more going on than what we might be aware of presently.

Creations like the Daleks could very well exist - it is not an impossibility you know (though I hope they don't come to Earth - then again though ....  ).