Message #3092

[ecuworrier]

Crap.

Attitudes like that are fueling disorder in this country!

Sadly JJ Ihave no respect for you as Admin, and therefore will cancel my membership of this forum.

hmmm that little exchange has been lingering for me... i mean the bit before that....  i was thinking about adults and children and dunno ... is it authorithy? respect for authority i was thinking also of the whole law and order thing as well ... which pretty much functions along the lines exhibited by floopower as she kindly described for us..

me i keep leaning towards a broader framework on this.... and one that says that the stick method is one of many ways of dealing with things ... and it risks boxing into a corner....   i am particularly interested inthe view as well that a bitov punishment is futile though perhaps that's just a persaonal reflection of the method that was refered to....

i tis an interesting one .... at what point do we decide to go with the 'punisher' if we have not been before...   and why...  is it we incur a blinding life changing flash of enlightenment?  or is it for who knows what reason finally our body broke!

what authority does ythe punisher havebeyond punish,ment?  is that a good motivational model for behaviour in society suffer the consequences or else... when to any sane person it is obvious that sme folks ge t consequneces and others do not and anyhows... the punisher is a hypocrite on some level...  me having run a variety of punishments that did nothing but to leave me pretty resentful and suspicioousof adults ever having the capacity to behavein sane andsensible ways but then hey just look around you...  the bit that bothers me about this is the social negotiations that go on that give consequences to folks who don't play apart in those negotiationsbut bear the consequences most of the time...  i cna see there is something almost sensible about the do as i say cos ... i am bigger than you ... ormor authority than you....  but when we set out rules in those macho tendencies we back ourselves into a corner cos .... help we do not know what we are gonna say or do if our powerplay all goes wrong!....  i think that quite often one of the problems here is that we ourselvesare doin or not doin out of fear.... of consequence andi think that's a pretty poor reason to do or not to do anything... afterall is it not true tjhat some folks will risk consequences out of more immediate sense of fear... others cos they see whether they can get away with it or not.....  others still cos they didn't understandthe rules or did not see the point of hte rules for that particualr consequence or even that kind of person....  hey man i make tyhe rules so i can't break them by rights innit...

i like to think there is something more tangible more strong in the forming of behavioures and attitudes... though i see a place for consequence dunno that i want to play the role of hangman though ... on the contrary hey i know i do not

GOD BLESS!

Peace and Love,