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Re: Bin Laden is DEAD!
« Reply #225 on: May 11, 2011, 20:13:18 »
Jan,
Only a fool would think that evil will end with the execution of Osama. The Bible is clear about evil and when it will end. Here's a problem I have. On one hand you say Christ is of peace. Yes the Bible clearly tells us this. So this part of the Bible you say is correct.

I would say the bible seems to be clear on this pow wow

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But where Christ acts out in a rage (a righteous rage) and where the Bible foretells the war Christ will fight, you throw up arguments about how unreliabel or possibly inacurate or who really wrote a particular book in it.

Now it seems you have bundled the stall/table tipping part (already explained ) and the book of Daniel together (already explained as to why it is unreliable)

 
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This is how you dismiss the responsability of our states to use the sword against those that do evil.

Others have explained this part

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Again, Osama was in the middle of planning attacks on US trains. Now being that the US was criminal in going into Pakistan in the first place so you believe. Who has the resposability to prevent those attacks exactly and how?

well unless there is intelligence and evidence to show exactly where and when the attacks were intended you wouldn't have anything to go on in preventing them. You are dealing with individuals or people working in small groups. Security searches, security monitoring/screening and CCTV would be helpful in preventing attacks - like there is already in airports. Getting the public to be vigilant in looking out for anything suspicious. Taking security precautions. Working with Pakistan and the Islamic community (the Islam religion as far as I understand is peaceful)

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You refuse to separate the resposability of the state and how we conduct our day to day interaction with others.

Please explain what you mean here?

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Romans clearly shows us the distinction. Evil is real.

We know that evil is quite real pow wow - but you have to go into the causes of why will humans do this to each other? In the enemies eyes it is us that are evil and they are the freedom fighters.

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Can I ask you how would you have Osama brought to justice? Keeping in mind, we cannot go into Pakistan, they won't arrest him for us as, have't for the past 10yrs.

BL should have faced justice like any other terrorist - but by trial first rather than by just being shot and becoming a martyr. That is what we have a legal system in place for surely?

 
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Jan the way it would have worked out if your view prevailed is that Osama would never be held to account. He would live his days in that luxury compound working on those terrorist attacks on trains. Where is any justice in this? But your view gives no other result but that.

this is not true pow wow. You don't know what would have happened.

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I think the problem is that you can't wrap your head around the fact that a person can have to kill and yet be a person with Christian love.

killing really goes against what I believe Christ has tried to teach us pow wow. I do not see anything 'Christian' in that at all

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Any justified violence or future violence shown us in scripture you dismiss with the excuses that I have mentioned. You must take the scripture in it's entirety or dismiss all and not use it as a support for you views.

That is a strange statement to make regarding scripture (esp in light of how the books of the Bible were chosen - which to keep in and which to get rid of - at the Council of Nicea. Some of the Bible I find helpful, some is extremely cruel and violent and abusive and horrific. Some of the Bible has been mistranslated and there are of course the contradiction. Also there is much of it which is not true - the story of creation for example anyway. We have two accounts of this in the bible, not exactly the same. Which is true? Well science shows how our physical bodies  evolved from apes - not Adam and Eve. In another part of scripture (not shown in your bible but in the Babylonian Talmud)  Adam had another wife called Lilith (look it up). My point is there are myths in there and stories. Do you believe snakes can talk?

I believe your other questions have already been answered - now why don't you answer the questions put to you earlier on in this thread?




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